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I ran out of time somehow editing my original post. I'm a chatterbox who was never very good at summarizing things. Anyhow, my FULLY INTENDED post is below. Maybe I can get the other one deleted.





Common rumor places the Kona announcement somewhere in July; so next month we should hopefully know. And the announcement will include the date they intend to start taking orders and when production starts, if it hasn't already. The Elantra GT announcements and updates, in the US, tend to come sometime in Autumn. If you like the Kona, and you've been inside and driven any of them, you're off to a good start. But '21 is a facelift year and they are putting the Smartstream engines in it, as well as making interior changes and what appears to be not-insignificant exterior changes (Santa Fe style grille, etc). So the current model may only give you a GENERAL idea.

I personally am waiting on the official announcement, and confirmation of rumors that it will be the first AWD N car. If the Kona N remains FWD, then I'll pass and pick up a Stinger instead when my lease is up. If it does go AWD, and I don't see why not, then it's my top pick. There may be a bit of time before they hit dealer lots, too, so that's something to consider. I have a few things going on right now, myself, personally. So I'll be glad to have an excuse to wait a few more months. If you're able to wait one more month and confident you'll find the car you're looking for, then I'd suggest that. So you don't have buyers remorse. With everything going on right now, a lot can happen in a single month.

I don't have an inside track, either, or inside contacts or anything of the like. I just read a TON of automotive news, not just on Hyundai-KIA. I check Korean Car Blog and the various other (minor) Kona forums, as well as just taking stock in Hyundai's general model and powertrain announcements to try and piece together the rumors, spy shots, interviews, and official announcements, to get a prediction. ****, there was a strong rumor that the Veloster would have got the 2.5T along with the wet DCT for 2021, but it only got one of those things. There's also planned production of a Venue N-Line and a true-to-form Tucson N-Line, but the powertrains in those depend mightily on the platform and what vehicles in it's class tend to have. ie: the Sonata N-Line gets the 2.5T, but it's also a larger vehicle and a more expensive vehicle class. If you want the 2.5T in the Veloster, too, you may want to make that thing AWD.

There are two reasons that I, personally, am not keeping my N-Line after the lease.
1) My partner's 2018 Sport is rock solid with no issues and AWESOME build quality. My N-Line's build quality is not that great. I don't have problems, but I have small trim issues and noticeably uneven panel gaps, and just a series of unfortunate events that have made me brand it my "bad luck car". We are buying his out after the lease 100% for sure. I overlooked the panel gaps because it was tough at the time to find an N-Line, and I wanted out of my boring 2017 Elantra sedan

2) It is simply and quite frankly, "not enough car" for me. It's not fast enough, and it's FWD. I had fever dreams of modifying it, but I gave up about 10 months into ownership. It's just been a series of unfortunate events that have soured my ownership. I still enjoy driving the car, but I fell out of love with it. I also have become far more financially well-off in the past 5 years and want something a bit more rowdy.



So really, I don't have your answer. It's a difficult decision because sometimes these N-Lines are hard to come by. But if rumor is true, and production ends after 2020, and the EGT is really what you want, then why not? So long as 201HP is enough for you, and you can tolerate FWD without Torque Vectoring (that the Veloster has on all models). At least the Stability Control does a good job in full-throttle sweeps and turns.

Thanks for the detailed response...a lot to think about. I think i am going to wait. There are still a ton of EGT N lines available within a 100 miles of me and it doesn't look like dealers are moving them that quickly or at all. The one i test drove has been sitting on the lot since January and is still available. I'm pretty confident many of them will still be available by early Fall.



By then, we'll have much more information on the Kona N and i can make a better decision. Also have to consider- can pick up a EGT N line well under 300 on the lease with nothing down. Kona N will likely start north of 30k.
 

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I just got the unfortunate news from one of the salesmen who I work closely with, and who talks frequently with the Corporate Sales trainer (for the new vehicles). The GT platform will be going away within the next two years. And will be replaced WITH nothing. The Kona is the new GT I guess...
 

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I just got the unfortunate news from one of the salesmen who I work closely with, and who talks frequently with the Corporate Sales trainer (for the new vehicles). The GT platform will be going away within the next two years. And will be replaced WITH nothing. The Kona is the new GT I guess...

Yeah it seems that COVID19 had more productivity effect than H/K probably even expected. I anticipated hearing about the Kona N by now, but instead, it looks like they made '21 a carryover with a Night Edition add-on.


Some automakers do mid-year changes (like Mazda), but I don't think I recall H/K doing that sort of thing before and wouldn't really expect a 2020.5 Kona. But hey... 2020 has been a dumpsterfire of random bs, anything can happen!
 

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Looks like the santa fe will receive the "N-Line" treatment as well (coming out end of year in Korea).
IMO, side profile looks so much better than the Kona's...just wish it had the twin turbo v6 from the stinger...
 

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Looks like the santa fe will receive the "N-Line" treatment as well (coming out end of year in Korea).
IMO, side profile looks so much better than the Kona's...just wish it had the twin turbo v6 from the stinger...

I think that remains to be seen - that was attached to an announcement regarding N-Performance parts, not necessarily a Santa Fe N-Line...
 

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There's also a "possibility" of a Genesis G70 wagon variant coming stateside.
I would prefer this to a SUV any day.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/07/27/genesis-g70-wagon-shooting-brake-spied/

Nope, I was also told that wasn't coming to the US. The main reason, Wagons and Hatches aren't what the people in the US buy. If you look at the market currently, and you look at other vehicles on the road, most of them are SUVs and CUVs. That is why Hyundai has the Venue, Kona, Tucson, Santa Fe, and the Palisade. Those are it's money makers, much like how Ford's Money Maker are their trucks.

I was crushed when the Sales guy told me that, since I was all ready to trade in for one of those G70 Wagons. They are also unfortunately dropping their 2.0T RWD 6spd manual in the G70.
 

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Yup, as the world becomes more and more lazy with its driving routines, automatics flourish while the true car enthusiast manual transmission continue their decline, I am a hardcore manual fanatic myself and its so sad to see less and less standards being offered, its gradually becoming a treasure hunt to find brand new standard cars besides the subarus of course.
 

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Yup, as the world becomes more and more lazy with its driving routines, automatics flourish while the true car enthusiast manual transmission continue their decline, I am a hardcore manual fanatic myself and its so sad to see less and less standards being offered, its gradually becoming a treasure hunt to find brand new standard cars besides the subarus of course.

The manual purists are somewhat comical. The manual trans doesn't exist because it makes for the ultimate driving experience. It exists because back in the day automatics sucked. They shifted sluggishly, were less than predictable, and got worse fuel economy. Nowadays in most vehicles the automatics best the manuals in fuel economy. The manual is not superior like it once was. It makes sense that it's going away.


I'm not anti-manual. I think manuals are fun. I have an s2000 and the manual transmission in it is awesome.
 

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Yup, as the world becomes more and more lazy with its driving routines, automatics flourish while the true car enthusiast manual transmission continue their decline, I am a hardcore manual fanatic myself and its so sad to see less and less standards being offered, its gradually becoming a treasure hunt to find brand new standard cars besides the subarus of course.

Let's please not turn this into THAT discussion.This isn't that kind of forum.
 

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Yup, as the world becomes more and more lazy with its driving routines, automatics flourish while the true car enthusiast manual transmission continue their decline, I am a hardcore manual fanatic myself and its so sad to see less and less standards being offered, its gradually becoming a treasure hunt to find brand new standard cars besides the subarus of course.
Obligatory "Im not against Manuals, but": Unfortunately Automatics are going to be the future. They're more Fuel efficient, and have less chance of failure (unless its a DCT or CVT) ... Normal Consumers don't wanna have to "inconvenience themselves on moving their legs to push in a clutch pedal as well as move their hand to shift; when they can throw that b**ch into drive and floor it into their neighbors house bumping to some rocking tunes. Which is why the market is shifting over to Automatics, CVTs, and or DCTs.

The "Purists" aren't ready to give up a losing battle, and while I'm sad to see the Manual drift into obscurity I'm happy that some manufacturers are *trying* to keep them around for as long as possible. The G70 just dropped the 2.0T RWD Manual, which was *i believe* the last RWD Manual Sedan.
 

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For one thing there's nothing wrong with that response, this discussion relates to another manual transmission option being potentially extinguished which sounds more and more like its gonna happen based on this thread and so that comment is completely relevant and besides no ones turning it into THAT discussion anyway, just sayin.

Russianbear, I do agree with you that its sad the manuals are being replaced, as a manual fan I feel the experience is much more personal in comparison to an automatic and its unfortunate that the G70's 6spd option is being removed despite all the youtube videos highlighting how great of an experience it was, its unfortunate.
 

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As I suspected, and the release basically confirms what I've been saying all along; that the Kona and Venue (I never mentioned anything about the Venue, but eh) took the place of the Elantra GT in our market. The Kona has a leg-up by offering the AWD option the EGT can't have.

https://thekoreancarblog.com/2020/08/08/elantra-gt-n-line-discontinued-from-us-market/

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3101

As a follow-up anecdote: I like the Kona. But I chose the Elantra GT N-Line over the Kona, for 3 reasons:
1) EGT has the panoramic roof,
2) EGT has VENTILATED SEATS which aren't available on the Kona
3) EGT is more sleek and has cleaner sheetmetal; it's the sport compact, not the "compact SUV" the Kona is marketed as

The one thing I WISH the EGT got, was an AWD option. The Noble S1 that come stock on the DCT N-Lines, aren't that great. But even with better tires, the gearing and early-torque of the Gamma 1.6T just induces wheelspin far too easy; you really have to modulate the throttle to get a quick launch, a rolling start while keeping it locked in 1st, or (as I do) give it about half-throttle at launch, shift early into 2nd (around 10-15mph), then pin the throttle. It badly needed an LSD or the e-Diff of the Veloster.

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2021 Accent – Carryover
2021 Veloster – Carryover
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2021 Venue – Carryover
2021 Kona – Carryover and adds Night Edition
2021 Kona Electric – Carryover
2021 Tucson – Carryover
2021 Santa Fe – Product enhancement
2021 Palisade – Carryover and adds Calligraphy trim
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https://www.motor1.com/news/438112/hyundai-elantra-gt-n-line-dead/amp/

"The Elantra's sales numbers (combined sedan and GT) went significantly down from 2018 to 2019 (200,415 versus 175,094), just in time when the Kona gained its momentum and the Venue entered the market..."

Umm...I wonder if they take any accountability for the horrible redesign of the elantra(2020). I am sure this weird and ugly design had a large role in the decrease in sales. Yet, Hyundai just assumes the drop in sales was due to SUV demand?

The new design language of putting angles everywhere and creases in doors...I personally hate it.
 

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https://www.motor1.com/news/438112/hyundai-elantra-gt-n-line-dead/amp/

"The Elantra's sales numbers (combined sedan and GT) went significantly down from 2018 to 2019 (200,415 versus 175,094), just in time when the Kona gained its momentum and the Venue entered the market..."

Umm...I wonder if they take any accountability for the horrible redesign of the elantra(2020). I am sure this weird and ugly design had a large role in the decrease in sales. Yet, Hyundai just assumes the drop in sales was due to SUV demand?

The new design language of putting angles everywhere and creases in doors...I personally hate it.

The i30 redesign announced for 2021 in Europe was ugly too. Really ruined the car IMO. That's why I ran out and bought an N-line, for fear of getting stuck with an ugly car. Glad I did now, even if my reasoning was off.
 

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https://www.motor1.com/news/438112/hyundai-elantra-gt-n-line-dead/amp/

"The Elantra's sales numbers (combined sedan and GT) went significantly down from 2018 to 2019 (200,415 versus 175,094), just in time when the Kona gained its momentum and the Venue entered the market..."

Umm...I wonder if they take any accountability for the horrible redesign of the elantra(2020). I am sure this weird and ugly design had a large role in the decrease in sales. Yet, Hyundai just assumes the drop in sales was due to SUV demand?

The new design language of putting angles everywhere and creases in doors...I personally hate it.

The i30 redesign announced for 2021 in Europe was ugly too. Really ruined the car IMO. That's why I ran out and bought an N-line, for fear of getting stuck with an ugly car. Glad I did now, even if my reasoning was off.

Ditto that. The new i30 front end definitely looks a little too much like these emote expressions --> 😫😖😝🤮 maybe it's because of those >.< headlights...
 

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"As a follow-up anecdote: I like the Kona. But I chose the Elantra GT N-Line over the Kona, for 3 reasons:
1) EGT has the panoramic roof,
2) EGT has VENTILATED SEATS which aren't available on the Kona
3) EGT is more sleek and has cleaner sheetmetal; it's the sport compact, not the "compact SUV" the Kona is marketed as"

In addition the Kona has a ridiculously small rear cargo area. The wife will be in need of a new SUV in a year or two. Hopefully this will be addressed in the next generation Kona as her car is the designated Vacation hauler. All wheel drive and adequate cargo room is a must.
 

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"As a follow-up anecdote: I like the Kona. But I chose the Elantra GT N-Line over the Kona, for 3 reasons:
1) EGT has the panoramic roof,
2) EGT has VENTILATED SEATS which aren't available on the Kona
3) EGT is more sleek and has cleaner sheetmetal; it's the sport compact, not the "compact SUV" the Kona is marketed as"

In addition the Kona has a ridiculously small rear cargo area. The wife will be in need of a new SUV in a year or two. Hopefully this will be addressed in the next generation Kona as her car is the designated Vacation hauler. All wheel drive and adequate cargo room is a must.
TBH, then, a Tucson will probably fit your needs better. Especially considering it too will get an N-Line variant with the new 2.5T. Though whether it comes in FWD only like the Sonata and K5, or gets an AWD option, remains to be seen. Compact AWD hatchback is pretty much the realm of SUVs now. Have you considered a KIA Seltos? Same drivetrain, but it's a "tweener" that sits between the Kona/Soul and Tucson/Sportage, that doesn't (yet) exist on the Hyundai side. Heck, even the Soul has some pretty generous cargo space for it's size.

I'm actually going to be trading out my N-Line by the end of the year. I don't hate the car, but it doesn't quite fit my needs and I fell out of love with it about 6 months in. Which has never happened to me before in any car purchase I have made. It isn't necessarily the fault of the car; it's tons of fun and a great ride. But I need something larger.
 

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"As a follow-up anecdote: I like the Kona. But I chose the Elantra GT N-Line over the Kona, for 3 reasons:
1) EGT has the panoramic roof,
2) EGT has VENTILATED SEATS which aren't available on the Kona
3) EGT is more sleek and has cleaner sheetmetal; it's the sport compact, not the "compact SUV" the Kona is marketed as"

In addition the Kona has a ridiculously small rear cargo area. The wife will be in need of a new SUV in a year or two. Hopefully this will be addressed in the next generation Kona as her car is the designated Vacation hauler. All wheel drive and adequate cargo room is a must.
TBH, then, a Tucson will probably fit your needs better. Especially considering it too will get an N-Line variant with the new 2.5T. Though whether it comes in FWD only like the Sonata and K5, or gets an AWD option, remains to be seen. Compact AWD hatchback is pretty much the realm of SUVs now. Have you considered a KIA Seltos? Same drivetrain, but it's a "tweener" that sits between the Kona/Soul and Tucson/Sportage, that doesn't (yet) exist on the Hyundai side. Heck, even the Soul has some pretty generous cargo space for it's size.

I'm actually going to be trading out my N-Line by the end of the year. I don't hate the car, but it doesn't quite fit my needs and I fell out of love with it about 6 months in. Which has never happened to me before in any car purchase I have made. It isn't necessarily the fault of the car; it's tons of fun and a great ride. But I need something larger.

So funny you mentioned the Seltos. I had never heard of it until after I posted yesterday. I saw it mentioned in an SUV Car review write up as a car to also consider.

After researching it, I'm liking it. All but one of the lower end S versions come with standard AWD. The cargo area has an extra cubic foot or two versus what I have with my GTS which I feel is adequate.

It's still too new, even in So Cal. I'm not finding the higher end models with the 1.6t available yet. Hopefully this time next year inventory will be up and possibly even some incentives to drop the price.
 

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https://www.motor1.com/news/438112/hyundai-elantra-gt-n-line-dead/amp/

"The Elantra's sales numbers (combined sedan and GT) went significantly down from 2018 to 2019 (200,415 versus 175,094), just in time when the Kona gained its momentum and the Venue entered the market..."

Umm...I wonder if they take any accountability for the horrible redesign of the elantra(2020). I am sure this weird and ugly design had a large role in the decrease in sales. Yet, Hyundai just assumes the drop in sales was due to SUV demand?

The new design language of putting angles everywhere and creases in doors...I personally hate it.

The i30 redesign announced for 2021 in Europe was ugly too. Really ruined the car IMO. That's why I ran out and bought an N-line, for fear of getting stuck with an ugly car. Glad I did now, even if my reasoning was off.

I'm guessing that in a few years, all of Hyundai's cars will have design that looks like this:
 

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